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    so doing a bit of research myself i found an interesting story from Forbes magazine

    Who Knew? The Leading Cause Of Gun Death Is Suicide

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    *not_secure_link*b-i.forbesimg.com/rogerkay/files/2013/12/gl-shock-ar-15-300x106.jpgThe AR-15 isn’t often used for suicide, but many law-abiding citizens want one anyway

    A couple of weeks ago, I wrote a column about how the gun-death data showed a very weak correlation with gun-law strictness. I used data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Department of Justice (DoJ) to derive a gun-homicide rate.
    In the comments section, a reader pointed me toward more-detailed data from the Center for Disease Control (CDC), which captures death-certificate data from all the states. Despite interference by the National Rifle Association (NRA), the CDC has kept up the basic data, if not research into the details of who, how, and why.
    But what we can see from this data is astonishing. First off, the national data — as depicted in this chart done up by Kaiser Family Foundation-backed statehealthfacts.org — looks like an electoral map, with red states (blue on this map) having high gun death rates, and blue states (orange in this case) having low ones.
    Without even looking into the detail of gun-law strictness by state, we know that the strict states correlate highly with the (politically) blue states like New York and Massachusetts, and the open-gun-law states match up pretty well with the (politically) red ones.
    So, what we learn is that states that in my earlier view of gun homicide showed up with low gun-death rates, like Idaho, lie toward the top of the total death-by-firearm statistics.


    Turns out, homogeneity notwithstanding, Mormons don’t shoot each other. They shoot themselves. Nevada is no longer a standout; it’s just in the top 10. Number one in gun deaths is Wyoming, wide open territory for anyone who wants a gun. And the top 10 is filled out by Deep South states Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Tennessee, all with open gun laws.
    Massachusetts, with some of the strictest gun laws in the country has by far the lowest gun death rate. And New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut — strict states all — are in the bottom five.
    When so-called “self-inflicted” death by gunshot is taken into account, the liberal thesis is supported almost perfectly: more guns, more gun deaths; less guns, less gun deaths. It’s as simple as that.
    While this correlation is astonishing, it’s not surprising, since such findings are intuitive. Even Bill from my previous piece likes living in Massachusetts, a safer perch from which to espouse his belief in Second Amendment rights.
    Looking deeper into the data, though, shows a second astonishing fact that actually is surprising: just how high the gun-suicide rate really is. The preamble to the CDC’s National Vital Statistics Reports Vol. 60, No. 3 cites firearms as one of the “four major mechanisms of injury in 2009” (the year of the survey), along with poisoning, motor vehicles, and falling. In that year, 59.8% of all “firearm injury deaths” were suicides, and 36.7% were homicides.
    Although gun accidents are tragic, and we tend to hear about them (e.g., an 8-year-old boy was killed in Massachusetts in 2008 when a 9mm Micro Uzi machine gun he was playing with at a gun fair kicked back and shot him in the head), accidental gun death is relatively rare, accounting for only 1.8% all gun deaths. “Undetermined” and “legal intervention/war” categories were even less likely, at 0.7% and 1%, respectively.


    So, suicide tops homicide by nearly two to one in the gun-death business. What the heck is going on?
    Since the NRA has steadfastly stood against learning anything systematic about this well-documented phenomenon, we don’t really know what’s happening and why. But I will venture a guess or two.
    Guns make death easy. That is, it’s not technically hard to pull a trigger. A law abiding citizen in despair chooses not to kill the object of his anger (the wife run off, the humiliating plant manager, the rival for the girl’s affection, the gods themselves for ruining the harvest) and instead turns his anger inward. What means does he have? Poisoning (horrible, painful), vehicle into tree or off cliff (no guarantee of results), knife in the belly (that’s for Samurai), overdose (maybe, but, again, no guarantee), jump off a high place (takes a lot of nerve), suffocation (on yourself? really?), and gunshot.
    Gunshot to the head is nearly foolproof, with in-the-mouth the method of choice. I’ll wager that most of these self-inflicted gun deaths are done with a handgun, which is easier to wield. However, for those with access to only a rifle, there’s always removing your shoes, placing the stock on the floor, leaning over the barrel, and working the trigger with your toes.
    It’s just one quick moment of decisiveness, and you’re done.
    So, as we enter further into the debate about gun laws, it is good to keep in mind that, while spectacular massacres with exotic weapons generate headlines, the real numbers are composed of pensive ranchers and despondent farmers, facing drought, bankruptcy, and loss, who give up fighting the forces they see arrayed against them and take the nearest exit.

    so it would seem Mr. Magic only used the chart from *not_secure_link*www.vpc.org/fadeathchart14.htm to just show what he wanted to show like the fact that 59.8% of all “firearm injury deaths” were suicides, and 36.7% were homicides. but that don't fit what he wants the world to know or the fact that accidental gun death is relatively rare, accounting for only 1.8% all gun death.

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]yes the study in the story above was from 2009 the facts are still 59.8% were people killing themselves [/FONT]

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]in 2011 latest numbers the CDC has to go on 31,940 people were killed with guns.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]but of that 31,940 851 were accident 19,766 were suicide 11,101 were homicide and 222 were of undetermined intent what ever that means of the 4 numbers above accident homicide and undetermined intent adds up to 12,174 that's 7592 less then people who kill themselves.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]prove me wrong magic[/FONT]

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]click the (this chart ) to see the whole chart from magics post[/FONT]
     
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  2. tenguy

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    Yes, even though that chart was from 2009, in later years the numbers hold up. Right around 2/3 of the firearm deaths in the US are suicide, so maybe we need to look at the suicide rates in countries that do not have such lenient gun laws.

    Japan has 19.8/100,000 per year
    Russia has 23.4
    Finland has 17.4
    France has 13.6
    Sweden 11.7
    Canada 9.9
    Australia 7.8

    USA 10.3

    If 2/3 of the US suicides are by firearms, that means that 3.4 are by other means.

    So why are those other countries suicide rates so freakin' high, yes including Australia.


    *not_secure_link*www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/suicide/by-country/
     
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    i hope your not expecting magic to answer because you know hes going to comeup with some off-the-wall shit that will most likely make us laugh hard enough to piss our pants.
     
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    this is the problem with all the charts and data. the fbi has something called the ucr but idk if it has a section on guns. I learned in college that the biggest problem with data is its recording, not all data is recorded properly. And like people are saying about suicide something that Bloomberg was doing about gun murder victims had a listing of peoples names who died and the boston bombers name was on the list so are people who are killed in self defence counted and people killed by the police? what about accidental shooting?
     
  5. tenguy

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    Those numbers are easy to find. But, like anything you need to sort through the chaff to get to the grain, try to look at several sources and weed out the ones with an agenda.
     
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    OK, I've been working today so I haven't answered.

    The Violence Policy Center includes gun SUICIDES in its data, and this clearly skews things in an anti-gun way. It would have been much better if the VPC had just stuck to gun HOMICIDES, rather than also including SUICIDES.

    So yes, I admit I was wrong here. However, the US still has a much higher gun homicide rate than Aus, the UK, France, Germany, etc. given the amount of guns you have, it's a wonder the rate isn't higher. Sensible gun laws are still needed.

    So now that I've admitted I was wrong to use the VPC data, when are you Righties going to admit to being WRONG on Obamacare, climate change, etc?!
     
  7. ridgerunner

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    but you still forget to include nations like mexico(where guns are illegal at personal possession levels)
    iraq, iran, suriname, algeria
    aww wait did i just fuck up your bullshit?
     
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    The laws are on the books right now. The problem is the current laws are not enforced....
     
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    Mexico's problems owe a lot to the US. The rest are not developed nations, and thus are not comparable.
     
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    Even Ridgerunner agrees with background checks.
     
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    The same could be said about Mexico with regards to the US drug problem....
     
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    Evil both ways. Mexico's drug barons export drugs to the US, and import guns to Mexico.
     
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    first off mother fucker do not ever pretend to know what i do and do not agree with
    you are not of the level of intelligence to discern what i believe
    you also do not understand that i am also fighting to return the right of personal and responsible possession to the people of austrailia
     
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    Background checks are required RIGHT NOW by federal law. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is a point-of-sale system for determining eligibility to purchase a firearm in the United States of America. It has been around ever since Congress passed the 'Gun Control Act of 1968'...
     
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    Arent most of these shootings suicide related ?
    people use to just take themselves out but in my opinion it seems in this 21st century all these depressed people that choose the selfish way out have to take a bunch of others into their grave first before doing the act...
     
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    Well, good luck with that!
     
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    its become a sensationalistic society
    people want to be famous
    ive never wanted to be famous i just want to be allowed to live my life without assholes from other places telling me how to live my life
    i grow what i eat and i recycle almost everything
    i make almost 99% of my own fuel and i dont waste anything
    i do not threaten others and i stay away from society because they do not understand people like me
    i am not a religious person but what i do hold as a faith is a love for the planet and for an honesty in existence
    i find fail to be political because they do not represent me
    but i do do know that prior to any law or legislation education is a key to achieving a goal
     
  18. tenguy

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    Thank you for that admission, I appreciate it.

    Since you haven't proved to be right on Obamacare, I certainly will not concede the points that we have been discussing on the ACA. As far as climate change, you have not proven me wrong there either, what you have done is to assume that I disagree with the science, which I do not. What I disagree with is the politicizing of what we do about it.
     
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    See? Now I think this speaks to your ability to learn (as opposed to find, copy, and paste). How many times has ridgerunner told you not to associate any of your words with his name? 10? 20? More?

    And you did it again, and got the same sort of response you've gotten every other time, pretty much telling you to fuck off. And you're left with a mushy little "well, gollly gee, good luck with that...."
     
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    People are people no matter where they live. When they die they are dead, just like in any other country. The cause of their death, if by the same way, should be counted just like any other country.
    Wait a minute. Are you being racist? Do you think a person's race should eliminate them from the same list as people of another race?
    Now what was that you called me when I said the same thing?